11 August 2009 - 12:00
Focus RS ’Rings out
Apologies for continuing to fuel the great Nurburgring Lap Time Fire, but we thought you'd want to hear about this one: the Ford Focus RS has failed in its bid to break the Renaultsport Megane R26.R's class record.
In conjunction with German magazine Sport-Auto, Ford took its double-hot hatch to the 'Ring with the intention of beating the Megane's time of 8m17s, a record for front-wheel-drive production cars set last summer.
But, in the hands of the excellently named Horst von Saurma Jeltsch, the Focus recorded a time of 8m26s, a full nine seconds off the Renault's record.
Maybe this isn't surprising. The Megane is virtually a race car for the road - slick tyres, stripped-out interior, roll cage - while the Focus, despite packing 300bhp, is a proper hatchback with proper rear seats and proper glass windows.
And, furthermore, without seriously detailed information on the conditions of the track, it's notoriously difficult to read much into 'Ring lap times. Over 14 miles, even the slightest dampness can affect a lap by dozens of seconds, and - though we're sure Herr Jeltsch is a fine driver - detailed local knowledge is invaluable.
Perhaps more importantly, does it matter? Does the fact your car can slide round the ‘Ring a couple of seconds quicker than another make any difference in the real world, on real roads? Has this Nurburgring obsession got out of hand?
That said, Ford, if you're going to play the game, you've got to be prepared to lose. Time for a Superleggera Focus RS, maybe?
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Lets face it, the Focus RS will be more likely to be filled with chavs doing rings around the local town centre than it is any racing track, so yes, this is a pointless test..
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No suprise it didnt beat the Renault. The RS is a proper car, the Ren isn't. I am a Ford man myself, but i do love the standard R26, but think the R26-R is just stupid. Who is going to buy a Megane just for track use? And just think how badly the RS would trounce the Megane, if Ford were to strip it as light as the R26R.
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this has got out of hand now. its a waste of time, its just something for manufactures to brag about now. but, a light-weight focus rs would be amazing!
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Megane works fine in real life, just doesn't have rear seats, like many fast cars that also have a use. Then Ren isn't a proper car, lol, if by proper you mean a fat turd then yes. What if what if. What if Renault increase the bhp on the R26.R, same argument, also pointless. Wouldn't be surprised if a stripped RS comes out tho just to beat that time and devalues all the ones already sold.
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Does it matter? If racing cars around racetracks to see which is fastest is now pointless, then surely there would not be any racing to watch at all, and not any Top Gear to watch either. As for the cars, the Renault may not be the most practical, the most powerful, and have lightest weight but Ford knew what they were going up against and lost.
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What?? Who gives a toss about NBring times anyhow? if that's the only proof of a cars worthiness then these manufactures need a swift slap with a wet fish and a reality check. How about how long it takes to drive around the north and south circulars in rush hour and get your missus to pilates whilst getting dinner from Tescos?? These tests have absolutely no purpose and prove absolutely nothing.
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No the Megane doesn't work fine in real life, because it is utterly flawed at what it is meant to *be*...a hot-hatchback. They by their very definition are meant to be comfortable and practical, whilst having that raw side that means you can have some real fun. The Megane is caught between trying to be Caterfield track car, and a practical RS-esque hot-hatch, and is not as good as either at their core fundamental abilities. That's why Renault have sold about 10 of them, and the RS is selling by the 1000s. What a surprise that it beat the RS around a track. The RS would certainly beat it in taking 3 of your mates...anywhere. Maybe that's who the Renault's for, people with no friends?
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I am a shallow person. I'm all about looks. The Renault is ugly. The Ford is not at all as ugly and it has stuff in it including an interior. I don't think I will ever drive around the Ring, so I should be fine without the Renault.
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the focus is also loaded with kit so if they made a 'focus rs superlagerra' it would probably be faster than the renault. the focus is still better looking and as i have owned a renault at least the ford wont fall to peices like my old megane which was nothing but trouble
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There is no one even commenting that owns the R26.R, so I presume you's are just slagging it off to make yourselves feel better about the fact you's have (or want to) blow a minimum 25k on a car just because is says RS on the back, then got its ass handed to it by the car they were trying to beat. How embarassing.
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its a proper all rounder its a dragster so it cant go round corners go to a relly long streach of road and blast it
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The Renault should be viewed as a cupracer, not as a roadgoing family hatch. And that answers Nakke: this Renault is a good car for beginning amateur racers, not for anyone else. With kids in the back on a rainy day, I wouldn't want semislicks anyway. But I think the original bright idea of doing the 'Ring was that it compared well with daily driving in an extreme way. If they did it at Donington or Magny Cours, it wouldn't be a lot of use. Nor would it have caught on.
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@nHeroGo: introspection is a fine thing : P There's something in what you say though, even if you didn't mean it to. Who of us ever puts his car to the extremes of what it can do? I know I don't, I just amble along in everyday traffic. Do I care what my car does on the 'Ring? No, I know what it'd do. It'd be slow or go off, especially with me driving. So I care a lot more that it's comfy and handy, and that, to me at least, it looks good.
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Now, now, children, put the handbags away, no need for the insults towards others-- Theyre just cars after all ;) Me personally i think theyre both overweight porkers--the R26R is still over 1200Kg isnt it--thats still far too heavy!!! Not like the good old days when you could have real fun pushing a lighter car to its limits, without needing superpower and torque to reach those limits.
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Astra GTE 16v = 1008kg Golf GTi 16v = 1009kg Peugeot 309 GTi = 930kg Ford Escort RS Turbo = 1017kg (Even RS Cossie = 1230kg) Toyota Corolla GT-i = 945kg MG Maestro Turbo = 1040kg Renault 19 16v = 1050kg Honda CRX VTi = 1025kg Citroen ZX 16v = 945kg All old hot hatches used to be much less overweight...those were the days!!!
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The old cars where simply lighter, because they were/are as safe as a matchbox. Sure, light is good, but even at those weights the modern counterparts handle better, so im not complaining. I have driven an old RS Turbo, and sure, its more kind of "raw" to drive, and that might be apealing to some, but i do prefer modern cars. But not the Dacia Sandero. Obviously.
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lol@ JB_VXR, you dont happen to own a vauxhall vxr of some sort do you? it would certainly explain your negative biased comments towards the ford, no one should take this vauxhal fanboys comments on board. the focus rs is a hot hatch, the r26r is a track car ala lotus elise in a hatchback shell, they are not in competing car sections.
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@dorme errrr, no, I own....... a FocusRS and its turd actually =P My negative comments are biased in the opposite direction to the clearly negative biased comments from the Ford crowd on the R26.R. Someone needs to be the ying to your yang.
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The RS will sell to the Ill educated because of the badge, even though it's just been proved to be quite slow and it's got a turd interior. A fool and his money.........
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^ i wouldnt say that, quicker than an audi rs6 on a track, also lexus is-f, scooby wrx sti, nissan 350z,lotus exige? i wouldnt say that was a slow car, would you skippering?
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Oh dear oh dear, Ford tried to beat the R26R and lost! now all the sheep are posting negative comments on the Renault instead of being humble and accepting the fact that the RS is overated and needs to lose a few lbs from its belly, didn't a Clio Cup give the fat Ford a run for its money too ?
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uh-oh the vxr boys are here! http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=59834&page=2 nice one, you lot bored? didnt your hot hatch astra with 240bhp take the same time as a focus st with 225bhp round the ring? dear oh dear, power is nothing without control eh lads?
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Ok, it's not THAT slow. But it has been way overhyped and when that happens it always ends in disapointment. For the price of it I would much rather have an s3 or evo or vxr8. Heck, my astra would beat it and that's cost me a full 10k less!!! But as I said before, it will still be a huge success, I can even see it having it's own section at halfords.
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Hehehehe...busted!!'
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skippering, an astra vxr is not even close to the RS's league, dont be silly now....check the in gear times, 0-60 times, nordsliefe times.... i could go on.... ps, rrp on the vxr8 and evo are much more than the focus.
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Vxr8 can be bought new for 22k!!!! I didn't say my astra was standard!! But it still cost more than 10k less than the rs. Check the ring lap times, the Steinmetz asra is quicker than the rs and that's got a lower spec than mine.
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can be, but your not basing it againgst the rs at a discount rate are you? i can get a brand new focus rs for 20k through my mil discount, so there you go, the vxr8 is still cheaper. modified cars is a different matter, stupid thing to quote, a modded astra will keep up with a standard rs, wow, well done. lets do the same to the rs and see whos in front shall we? silly argument,but i have been told be a reliable source that you vxr guys tend to do anything to defend your torque steering shopping trolleys, so thats fine,you crack on.
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I think I've touched a nerve, if you can get an rs for 20k then crack on, isn't it just a tuned st with nobs on anyway??? I wasn't slating the rs, I was merely pointing out that I wad expecting more after all the hype. And for less money you can make a lot of other cars go faster. So you can put your toys back in the pram now sunshine!!!
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why cant your 4 year old astra beat another 4 year old competitor with less power? is it because the astra wastes all of its power with a frankly poor chassis and old-age rear suspension?! what does that mean? i could buy a toyota supra twin turbo and it will be faster than your astra and cost around half, so whats your point? you can modify anything to make it faster?! talk about state the obvious!
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isnt an astra vxr just a tuned 2.0t sri with nobs on anyway?
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Dorme said: i wouldnt say that, quicker than an audi rs6 on a track, also lexus is-f, scooby wrx sti, nissan 350z,lotus exige? i wouldnt say that was a slow car, would you skippering?" Dont know where you get your information from but its completely wrong for all those cars..
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Lol, yes it is!!! An astra is only 9 secs slower than the rs which in turn is 9 secs slower than the r26r. As you say, the astra is using old technology compared to both of them, doesn't do too bad though does it? Put some decent springs, anti roll bar and LSD (new technology)on the astra and it would easily shave those 9 seconds off. You must be really dissapointed with the rs if you keep feeling the need to defend it so viciously against a lowly astra, chin up though ay. It's not that bad!!
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Lol, yes it is!!! An astra is only 9 secs slower than the rs which in turn is 9 secs slower than the r26r. As you say, the astra is using old technology compared to both of them, doesn't do too bad though does it? Put some decent springs, anti roll bar and LSD (new technology)on the astra and it would easily shave those 9 seconds off. You must be really dissapointed with the rs if you keep feeling the need to defend it so viciously against a lowly astra, chin up though ay. It's not that bad!!
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ecosse8: have a looke on www.fastestlaps.com, all the info you need is there buddy. im not making it up.
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whats your point skippering? 9 secs is alot, and the rs lost against the r26r by such a margin due to its weight and the renault being a 2 seater track car, not a hot hatch. the astra vxr is vauxhalls astra halo model, the rs is fords focus halo model, and it wipes the flow with the astra vxr, deal with it sonny. the astra wouldnt stand a chance, no one wants the astra even though it is nigh-on the most poweful in its price range, simply because it doesnt perform as it should, built badly,terrible interior and stone-age suspension. i would feel very inadequate if i owned one too mate, i feel your pain if thats any consolation.
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the fact is, the astra takes 15more bhp just to keep up with lesser powered hot hatchery, clearly a badly though out, compromise of a hot hatch and a complete failure by anyones standards
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guys guys!! this is all to do about the Megane being a faster car than a fat Ford! and as for the ST matching the Astra around the Ring, well it took the Ford quite a few goes to get close to the VXR time, dare say they could shave off a few seconds of the Astra's time now if the need arose, Face it the Megane R26R is a superior car than the Focus RS and the new Renault Megane RS will just blow it away.
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^ another vxr fanboy, he is another of the contributers from the thread i posted earlier, *sigh* how boring
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dorme. do you actually own an RS? have you actually driven one? well i have! and if it were £6k cheaper i may have enthused about it but found it to be VERY overated for the money! throw £6k worth of mods at any of the hot hatchs and you will have an RS beater everytime. *sigh*
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You have obvioulsly never been in one because no-one who owned a ford would slate it's interior. I couldn't give two hoots how badly the astra does compared to the rs. It's 4 years older and 10k cheaper ffs, Your right about the suspension being stone age, but that's easily sorted. And an LSD to put the power down..job done!!! I stand by what I said, if I spent that amount of money and got the rs(which i nearly did) then i would be dissapointed and no amount of slating the astra will change that!! Stop being so bitter and let it go, you'll feel a lot better!!
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throw 6k of mods into a saxo and youll have an astra vxr beater-WHATS YOUR POINT?!
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The astra retails at like 20k, so i dont know where your getting a retail price of 15k from, your wanting the rs to be 19k? cheaper than a focus st? do you want to come into the real world? god, you vxr lot havent a clue have you? maybe your better off sticking to doing doughnuts at your local "maccy d's" and torque steering into the nearest hedge on the way to the nearest burberry outlet?
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Ooh there's no need to shout!! You must really have sand down your pants
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ive heard of small man syndrome, but skippering here has crap car syndrome.
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RS torque steers more than the Astra for a start. You seem to be getting very wound up bub, leave this place and go take a walk... feel the wind in your hair.
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Dorme, your just making youself look stupid or 12 years old. The fact that you keep resorting to personal insults speaks volumes for your intellect. I couldn't give a carp how much better the rs is than the vxr because my wanger Is twice the size of yours!!
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JB_VXR, cheers sweetheart, i am anything but wound, am very content with my life and all it has to offer. I would go for a walk, but unfortunatly, i have not legs. i thank you. skippering, if you ask nicely, ill let you see for yourself sexy
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there is nothing on earth that torque steers quite as bad as the astra darling
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Torque steer is only a problem for someone with weedy arms!!!
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This is true, my arms are pretty muscely (yes, I meant to spell it that way) due to lifting my massive wanger to take a whizz. So torque steer isn't really a problem for me.
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In fact, Its fair to say for the VXR, people with small wangers need not apply.
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come on dorme, my point is simple, the base price for an RS is £26k !! i tried to haggle with a Ford salesman but he seemed to think the car would sell for the 'RS' badge alone and therefore there would be no discounts! i told him i wanted to buy a car not a badge and walked out, Astons Vauxhall are selling the Astra VXRacing edition model for £17.5k! thats a whopping £8.5k cheaper! granted you will need to spend a fair chunk of that to get up to RS spec but still going to leave you with a few thousand quid in your pocket.
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Nobody in their right mind can compare an VXR Astra to the RS Focus. That is like comparing a sweet yellow paprika to a stinking hot red chilli.
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hahaha, vxr lot= OWNED! *takes a bow* Thank you and goodnight.
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there really is no point in the megane, if you actually want a sports car, buy a caterham or an atom, if you want a hatchback though, get an autodelta 147 GTA-370BHP-0-60 in 3.8seconds_OWNED
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hammond should not got involved because any one would choose the rs over the megane
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hammond should not got involved because any one would choose the rs over the megane
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I think there is only one time when this will stop. When Bugatti make a hot hatch with a Veyron engine. And only one seat. Still, you know that Aston Martin IQ thing, I'd love to see them put a V12 in that, and send that round the 'Ring. What about Nissan Cube hot hatch. Or the Proton Savvy Gti, or even the Daihatsu Materia GT. I'll stop now, but just think!
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Vauxhall VXR or a Ford Focus RS, hhmmmm, thats a bit like choosing which jobby I want to eat for breakfast..
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As an R26-R owner I say: To say you may as well buy a Caterham if you want to do a track day misses the point hugely. This car is designed to give driving thrills to every, single journey you make in it, whether it be a B road blast, a country lane assault or a track day hoot but it still has practicality on it's size, the boot's std Megane fair after all. EVO ranked this car 5th in it's all time greatest drives, to get that performance and involvment and character for the hugely reduced prices most .R drivers paid, to get a full 3 year warranty and encouragement and backing from the manufacturer to use it on track makes the R26.R an astounding vehicle. The RS is just another mass produced car the R26.R is two fingers up to the sanitised world of modern motoring.
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AlKim commented on this article
11 August 2009
I think the Renault is pretty ridiculous. If you really want a light sports car with little in the way of comfort, why not buy a Caterham instead? At least the Ford has a use in real life.
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