20 August 2009 - 12:00
GT5: damage, good
We’ve just found some footage from Gran Turismo 5 – which, if you’ve been holidaying on one of Saturn’s moons for the last few years, is an eagerly anticipated racing simulation game for the popular ‘Playstation 3’ console – and there are two excellent bits of news.
One, it looks gorgeous. Genuinely, jaw-droppingly lifelike.
Two, it has damage rendering. Oh yes. With the notable exception of the Top Gear test track, there wasn’t much missing from GT4 – but we’ve been crossing our fingers, toes and every other body part that’s vaguely crossable in the hope that GT5 would get damage.
We don’t know exactly how much damage GT5 will get – it’s rumoured that only a small percentage of the game’s cars will be smashable, perhaps limited to select racing and rally cars – and it’s still not clear whether damage will affect the cars’ handling. Knowing Polyphony’s attention to detail, we’d be surprised if it didn’t.
Though the release date of GT5 continues to slip, we’re hoping to see the full version early next year. Fingers crossed...
So take a look, and keep in mind that the guys over at Gamersyde appear to have simply shot this off their telly:
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"Forza is better." Compared to GT4, yes. Compared to GT5, yes..I mean hell no. It is ridiculous how easy it is to get a car sideways in Forza2 and maintain it. Either I made a lucky tuning change to the suspension or I found a glitch in Forza 2. On more than one occasion I was able to keep a Lancia in an indefinite circular drift. And I'm not that great of a gamer bur rather I think that game was just "arcade" bullshit, which should come to no surprise.
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@JohnAstonMartin I'm disagreeing with you there. I know, Forza is a brilliant game, and after playing both Forza 2 and GT5P, Forza 2 came out on top in terms of physics. Obviously Forza 2 beat it in quantity as well, but that's expected because GT5P is only a demo. But, however, after following both games, reading a countless number of previews and information about the game, and watching the videos, I have my hopes up that GT5 will most likely be a better game that Forza 3. That's my opinion, but I'd love to debate. Here's some facts about GT5 and the main reasons I think it will be a lot better. http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-game-features-announced/
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I am surprised at the devout following of Forza 3. I have played Forza to death, but even at its best it never feels more than a appetiser for Gran Turismo. Forza took a while to get going with number 3 starting to hit the right marks. Gran Turismo was a bullseye from the start, with every installment since hitting the triple 20. I agree with IronicalBalls, Forza is fun but ultimately less satisfying. Even for a glorified demo disc GT5 Prologue is eminently playable and offers a very rewarding gaming experience, and a sign of things to come. Maybe Prologue as an appetiser is an even tastier meal than Forza's full serving. I think Forza is a great game, but is only elevated to a AAA title in the hearts and minds of 360 owners... because, well, Gran Turismo is only available on Playstation.
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Why does the white evo not get damaged in the accident?
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Cool!!!! I've kinda gotten bored of GT5 prologue. Can't wait to get the full GT5!!! It looks amazing!
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Forza 3 for life!
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@ddddd1 Kazunori confirmed that there is only damage on certain cars, so the white one obviously isn't one of them.
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Well that's one piece of good news confirmed from the looks of things - that cars can be damaged on standard tracks (as that's Tokyo R246 in the vid) rather than just rally stages or the NASCAR ovals that are supposed to make their GT debut. But I too am looking at that vid thinking the Evo should be getting damaged from the contact...so I'd guess (visible) damage will only work for racing cars (eg rally, NASCAR etc) rather than the road cars. Wouldn't surprise me - considering the licenses involved I'm sure the manufacturers, say Ferrari, wouldn't want to see a 599 visibly smashed up.....
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Look Gran Turismo is quite obviously going to wipe the floor with Forza :D, how many cars does Forza 2 have? 350 cars? lololololololol, Gran Turismo TWO had 600 cars, Gran Turismo 4 = 700 cars, The DEMO has 70 cars, Even Forza 3 is going to have no more than 500 cars, GT5 has 1000 cars! and i think all PS3 people will agree and many others that Gran Turismo will never be beaten in Sim racing, is it is The Real Driving Simulator with better detail than an Xbob 360 can cope with, PS3's are more powerful too with blu-rays not extinct HD DVD's!
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Wow, it does look very good. I own an XBOX360 and a PS3, so here is an informed statement, not just an idealistic rant. The cold hard facts are this: The PS3 has better graphics, no argument there. The XBOX360 is much more user friendly however, ie. you can hook up with mates online very easily, setup parties, games etc. For outright entertainment XBOX360 has the PS3 beat hands down. I know 3 other people with both consoles, all of us use the PS3 as a DVD/BlueRay player and the XBOX for games. Is Forza 2 better? Who knows, but at least we've been playing it for the last 3 years, and not just talking about it!!!
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GT5 will have around 1000 cars (which they say includes the Bugatti Veyron), 60 tracks (uhurm .. TG test track). it runs on a more powerful console in 1080P. and i've playing it for quite some years now, its the best. i wont be buying a XBOX 360. but willing to test Forza for it. GT5 full version will be miles and aeons ahead of any racing game around when it is released.
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It's a shame that we won't actually be able to play the game until 2012!
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One of my most anticipated things of Gran Turismo 5 is...well, actually, everything. But the Top Gear Test Track is one of the main ones, hopefully we'll be able to have a seperate Career mode as The Stig. HAHA, that probably won't happen, but I wonder if it will actually be used in the Career mode instead of just Time Trials.
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@slayaz Take your ranting elsewhere. What do you want more, a rushed buggy game or a proper masterpiece. I want the latter. And anyway, a release date will most likely be at the Tokyo Game Show in September and it has already been pretty much confirmed it's coming out this year.
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nice too see that it will have damage, but when that impreza hits the wall it looks a bit arcade"ish". Also, if you're gonna put damage, either put it in all or none, that's kinda stupid if you ask me.
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@toast247 Watch 1.52 on the video. The Polophony advertising blocks clearly move when he hits it. That basically confirmes track damage as well.
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you might want to rephrase something, 1.52 on a 1.27 video? only if you're refering to a bigger video.
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@ PEPSITHERACER ok, it was in another video, but yes, i see that, but i was refering to the car's reaction on hitting the wall, and the fact that some cars get damage and others do not, not if the track got any, but it's nice too see that will happen too
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Keep in mind this is an early demo build of the game. There's still no real idea on how good the damage, or indeed how many cars will have it, is yet. Still, looks like a pretty game. Hopefully the inclusion of damage will remove the overly sensitive penalty system GT5:p used.
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I have a time share condo at one of Saturn's moons. I had no idea that computer games were this amazing. Do kids still use "joy sticks?"
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That'll Buff Right Out...
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According to many websites and reviews the game looks and will be amazing. It isn't called "The Real Driving Simulator" for no reason. It is called this as it really is. The physics, the Graphics, The cars, The tracks are all unbeatable. http://www.game.co.uk/search.aspx?s=gran turismo 5&platform=*&sort=itemOrderasc shows the release date as the 25th of september. and.... http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/automotive-news/181936-ps3s-gran-turismo-5-complete-list-of-cars.html Is a complete list of all gran turismo 5 cars. Now that poops on the head of any xbox fan who believes "Forza" (I'm trying not to laugh at people who believe that game is "amazing") is better than gran turismo. EAT IT!
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@steeev88 wow, great way to turn this page into another forza vs. GT debate... While you're calling people that like the forza motorspotr series idiots, like myself, why are you acting like a GT5 fanboy? with all of your car, track and graphics statements.
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can you stop comparing forza to gran turismo? both are great games and each game has its own console
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can you stop comparing forza to gran turismo? both are great games and each game has its own console
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the subaru driver is bad when the bonnet is down and really good when its up :P
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Yeah, why do people turn everything into fanboy wars? And by the way, that list is complete and utter bonkers, only a couple of hundred cars have been confirmed and most of the cars in that list aren't going to be in the game. For example, where the hell did Porche come from?
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Hitting the 1000 cars mark is easy if they include 20 RX7's and 30 GT-R's again. Quite a lot of GT4 was actually annoying. I saw that 'Ring recordlap of the Gumpert, and there's no way you could ever avoid understeer in GT4 like that. Tyrewear was ridiculous, MR's going downhill were a disaster, the showcars were superfluous and the rally bit was impossible to do. But mostly what got up my nerve was that the game was one big commercial for Japanese cars. GT5 has a lot to make up for. I hope it does 'cos I'm gonna buy a PS3 just for this game...
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the gran turismo games have always looked good, and i bet its only sony who wont let them port it to other consoles an PCs, but you have to be pretty stupid to buy a PS3 for this when there are so many other racing games. but as for damage, you want to play paradise city, 200mph and the car completely crumples, worries you every time
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If you want driving realism buy ~~~~LIVE FOR SPEED~~~~ (SERIOUSLY TOP GEAR GOOGLE IT) and if you want life like graphics buy GT5, but if you actually want to play a non pc racing game you have to buy forza, cause GT5 is like art, pretty to look at, but you cant play it!!!! cause it'll take till the end of time to come out
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I'm getting very impatient... my PS3 is on "wait" mode since so long...
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This is not a driving simulator, that looks so unrealistic. No cars handle like that, and physics like that excist only in Roadrunner-cartoons. And in arcade driving games, of course.
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Nothing new about 'full damage' anymore. 1000 cars vs 400. I bet I'll only use about 20 of them regularly.
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Nothing new about 'full damage' anymore. 1000 cars vs 400. I bet I'll only use about 20 of them regularly.
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Tokyo r246 is back!!! what a race track. and damage as well this is going to be epic. and to all those who are saying the handling of the cars isn't correct in gt5. they test every single car in real life in different conditions and use the data they collect in the game. now to the people complaining im guessing you haven't driven these cars so shut it.
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@CheeseyPanda: if MR&RR cars handled in real life like they do in GT4, Ferrari and Porsche would be out of business and in court, getting sued. Since they aren't, we can safely assume that in real life things aren't all that bad. I don't know about GT5 yet, I'm not gonna buy a PS3 just for the demo. They test every car and use the parameters, yes. But up until GT4 at least, they got a lot of it wrong.
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If the TG test track is there, I hope PD don't forget to include the Chevrolet Lacetti!
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@JonF1 I guarantee to you that the Lacetti will be in the game!
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They used this one car to show an early development stage of damage/collision - just to answer why the other cars don't sustain the same... I think the final product will be better and get better with future updates.
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You call this GOOD? Have you seen RACE DRIVER GRID?
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Watching that video, I think GT5 will suffer from the same problem all of it's previous incarnations have done: terrible AI (the Evo is driving on rails and fails to notice the languishing Subaru before plowing into the back of it). The damage will be restricted to so few cars as to make it irrelevant, and if that video is anything to go by, even cars in the same race won't all have damage applied to them (see the Evo behind the Impreza in the video, it takes no damage from it's impacts).
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@ DaveKitchen. Your an idiot. Obviously the Evo was used by a human to deliberately drive into the back of the Impreza to show the damage. And the Impreza was deliberately driving to cause damage to show damage. This looks amazing, no doubt about it. As for the 10,000 cars download, if that's true then I'll faint with joy. Shame the Liana ain't on that list. :(
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Oops, meant You're an idiot.
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bonobo4, you are right about DaveKitchen, but the RPC is the Chevvy Lacetti
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True. And I checked that 10,000 list again, they have both the 2006 Chevrolet Lacetti 1.8, and the 2002 Suzuki Aerio (US Liana.) :D Yeah!
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and pretty much every other car ever made,..........................................................................................................................................................in the world!
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@bonobo4 10,000 cars is not true. They have confirmed exactly 1000 cars and that will be expanded with DLC, which I think is bloody brilliant, and that's only the start!
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With the damage included now, does that mean that you could FINALLY find a use for a pit stop? I've never used it in any of the games....Any point to it?
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@ PEPSITHERACER. Great! That source said 340 then 10,000 downloadable! Now it's 1,000 then 10,000 downloadable in the future! :D @ Hisroyalredness. In GT4, you pit stopped for changing tyres and refuelling. There's a point for you. :D
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Just checked that 10,000 list, hope that's true and downloadable, and look what I found! Koeniggsegg CCX Top Gear Special Edition ?07
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GT5 looks a great game but the details are to vague, how many cars? How much damage? When is it out?
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Can u stop comparing Forza to Gran Turismo? I have never heard of Forza probably because GT5 is simply the best.
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Forza sucks eggs
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@ Ed_Loves_Abarth, there will be 1,000 cars and then 10,000 by downloads, in the future after game-release. You can see the damage but not every car will have damage, I think 150 or so. I dunno when it's out, I heard September, but it could be anytime.
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I've loved GT from the start (Played GT2 too damned much...favorite was a tweaked Lancia Delta Integrale), but unfortunately, don't have a PS3. I have a 360 (which I won) and have played Forza 2 for a few months now and it's so-so. I'm curious to see how Forza 3 looks and hope there are more download-able cars. I haven't played a GT since #4 on the PS2 but drooled over it and would love to get my hands on GT5 when it comes out. Would just have to sell the 360!
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I REALLY want to see the Top Gear test track in it, so we can compare our times against Michael Sc... er the Stig's time.
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JohnAstonMartin commented on this article
20 August 2009
Wow, thats so mega damage. The creator of GT5 has already said there will not be any damage. And those physics are so messed up. Forza's better. (I'm not going to be a geek and say "wow first comment"
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