09 September 2009 - 09:00
McLaren's all-new Ferrari killer
The McLaren F1 was the greatest road car of all time - just look what happened when Hammond and the Stig raced one against the Bugatti Veyron. Now its successor, the MP4-12C, has arrived. You should be excited.
Let's
start with some numbers. The mid-engined 12C is powered by an all-new
3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 with a dry sump and flat-plane crank. It
produces 600bhp and 443lb ft of torque, 80 per cent of which is
available from less than 2,000rpm. It will weigh just under 1,400kg.
Though
McLaren hasn't released any performance figures, a 0-60mph time near
three seconds and a top speed in excess of 200mph would seem highly
likely. So, yeah, it's going to be fast. Not quite as insanely quick as
the original F1, but still... fast.
The 12C is underpinned by a
revolutionary new one-piece carbon fibre tub, a brand new piece of
technology that weighs in at just 81kg. There's more clever tech on
board, too - an all-new seven-speed dual clutch transmission (called
SSG) and innovative suspension that does without a conventional
anti-roll bar, featuring instead hydraulically inter-connected dampers.
Oh, and - just like the original F1 - there's a rear air brake.
What
do you think of the looks? True, it's much more... slow-burning than
most 600bhp mid-engined sports cars, but McLaren MD Anthony Sheriff
says that was exactly the point.
"The structure, layout and
packaging were all defined before we put pen to paper," says Sheriff.
"We started with an aerodynamic proportions model to see if we could
meet the targets we'd set, and created a shape around that."
Designer
Frank Stephenson - who joined McLaren in 2008 after a long stint at BMW and a shorter one at Ferrari, Fiat and Alfa Romeo, agrees.
"There's
an efficiency to the design of the 12C," says Stephenson. "The shape is
not overpowered by styling tricks or elements that don't need to be
there. With McLaren it's more technological - there's no styling for
styling's sake."
McLaren plans to build around 1000 12Cs each
year, with prices expected to start at just under £150,000 - right on
Ferrari 458 money. That's a virtual bargain compared to the original
F1, which weighed it at over half a million quid even back in 1992.
So... thoughts, please. A worthy successor to the McLaren F1?
Need more convincing? Have a look at this BBC News video.
For even more info, and a raft of exclusive pictures, get hold of this month's Top Gear magazine.
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^ i agree, bet lewis will get one, he can then get rid of his Merc GL 420 lol u can see a bit of the old car in the styling. Best british car in ages!!
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It's weird how the 458 Italia and this look quite alike, isn't it?
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Looks like a Cayman Carrera GT Evora R8... Hm... Optically, not quite the stuff of my dreams. But it'll be great to drive, no doubt.
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Looks like another sub-zero effort from McClaren (that is unless Clarkson gets one...). When can I test drive...
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i liked the old one because it has alot of history and the new car has alot of work to do if it wonts to get to the legendary staus that the old one has !! lee jenkinson
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I was hoping to see the old three-seat layout of the original F1. The old central driving position is one of the things that really set the McLaren F1 apart from the rest.
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I was hoping to see the old three-seat layout of the original F1. The old central driving position is one of the things that really set the McLaren F1 apart from the rest.
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Only 3.8 litres? That must be a concentrated, racy engine then! Not really a successor to the F1, which was all about non-compromise going-as-fast-as-possible-ness, but I reckon a group test against Italy's offerings - and maybe the Audi R'10 - would be very competitive indeed. It looks fast, but not overly sexy or anything. Very purposeful. Not the prettiest name, but I get the F1 car reference. Sort of...
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When I saw the picture for the first time I thought someone tuned 458 before it was relesed. Did McLareren pull another fast one on Ferrari? Since Big Ron is the boss of their supercar division... I feel dissapointed. It is so Ferrari influenced that it is hard to be convinced by tech-gysmos. I expected something radicall in looks as well as in technology and that looks like another supercar. Yes, it is a bit sexy but in a chav kind of way. You would not take her to theatre, but for a stroll in a dark alley. And to finish of my rant. Who would spend Ferrari kind of money on car that looks like Ferrari, and always will be mistaken for Ferrari, but isn't Ferrari. Would you spend eight years worth of average wage in this country for beeing forever embarased by people asking you why did you change the badge on your Ferrari. You'd think they learned their lesson two years ago.
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The F1 was inspired by the Ferrari 365P. This looks like it has been inspired by Ferrari, Lotus, Ascari, Lambo, Audi, Koenigsegg - but not Gumpert. It's all very nice and I'm sure it will be technically brilliant, but I'd get fed up of people squinting at the badge to see what it is. Is it just me, or is it just a bit disappointing?
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Looks awesome but this is named after the 1998 Mclaren F1 Car this must like a celebratory edition cos it was when Mika Hakkinen won his 1st world title
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I think it looks very nice indeed. Only one bit I don't really like in the looks which is the little louvered bit between the rear window & spoiler - that seems a bit out of place for me but as hypercars go I think it's rather understated, which is nice and unlike Ferrari, McLarens suit the whole futuristic space-age sci-fi look inside and out. It has the look of a Lotus Evora which has been pumped up a bit - no bad thing that. A successor to the F1? Well...no, at least not at the moment. To really be a successor to the F1 it needs to get close to, match or even exceed its predecessor's performance and while it should certainly be a match for most hypercars it doesn't sound like it'll be in the same league as the F1 or Veyron, though time will tell......
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It looks enough like the original to feel related, but it;s a whole new shape at the same time. I'm glad its priced ( sort of ) sensibly, so it will actually be seen on the roads from time to time. Hamilton must be very pleased with his new company car. You can't help thinking that coming from Mclaren, it will be very close to the top of the Top Gear track times.
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i want one~!
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For some reason at a very quick first glance I thought it was another Ferrari or a tuned version... Its not another 'three-seater', is it?
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looks like a half ferrari half lambo
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Front of a Renault Megane, rest is a messed up Ferrari copy. Original F1 was the best by far.
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it is not that fast, not that expensive, not that light and looks like a hybrid of 3-6 other cars. 2 words: identity crisis.
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Theres loads of pictures of it on this site: http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=149588948&page=1 I want one!!!!
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Ferrari 458, Ascari KZ1, Audi R8, Lambo Gallardo and some Lotus Evora plus its actually a McLaren which makes it PERFECT!
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I definatly want one, but I want the old one More! This will be a great car and I love the looks, but at the same time its sad that its not as exceptional as its predecessor.
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It just looks too generic to be a true pin up super car, never mind the spec sheet, give us AUTOPORN!!
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it's so average looking as far super cars go i guess it'll have better performance as to whether it is not just another super car with an expensive badge on it. looks like they mixed the Ferrari 360 with the new scuda-whatcha-me-call-it did a bit of tuning and chucked a new badge on to it.
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it doesnt really look all that special..personally i think it looks like a more sorted out gumpert!
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Swings and roundabouts, isn't it? It's not quite as good as the F1, nor can it even pretend to be, BUT it's £1,850,000 cheaper than the current cost of an F1. Absolute bargain if you ask me. I've always said if I won the lottery i'd spend the money on a brand new, well-specced Porsche 911 Turbo. Not sure I would now.
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The guy with the Gumpert comment. Very correct. Yes its more of a child a mother can love but if their is method behind the madness so that would ofcourse be the McLaren thing. Its may not be pleasing to the eye but once in the seat you just wouldn't want to get out of it to even bother to look on the outside. Very very McLaren... But it is yet to be driven so McLaren, whatever you do DONT DISAPPOINT...
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Nice looking images. The door-gimmick is a bit silly; I've seen pictures of after-market-jobs been done to the Scudera convertible, and I wonder if it is worth the effort. Once you see sacrilege like that it rubs off on other cars/designs too. But back to the "MP4-12C"... WHAT A HORRIBLE NAME! Is the name suppose to signal that it is an exotic car with a personality or is it a shoe box with a built-in media player? Are kids suppose to refer to the new McLaren as the "M.P.Four dash Twelve C?" Say it out loud and see if it gets your juices going.
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Sorry i dont like it. It will turn out to be a big dissapointment. They would have been better of using the Mclaren F1 body and engine but then turbo charge or Super charge. The F1 will always be the best
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It looks soooooo boring...!! Haven't we seen this million times before! Maybe it's called McFerghini?
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Sweet, Ferrari 458 vs McLaren MP4-12C (sucky name) vs Lambo's Gallardo LP-Whatever. Top Gear fun right there!! Hmm, Clarkson will want drive all of them at the same time. Clarkson in the Ferrari, Hammond in the McLaren and May in the Lambo, or whatever. They can have a next special like that of the BMW, Merc, Audi!!
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Why are people being harsh about this car its not nice considering is british. Best british car in ages, well the Ascari A10 at a pinch.
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No relation to F1, discussion should end there, this car is on it own. I like it, yes it looks alot like alot of other cars, I don't care, the design and engineering is amazing and that what matters to me, I just drool at the possibility that Top Gear will pit this car directly against the 458 Italia in a special episode, cause these 2 new cars are the pinnacle of modern technology.
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that looks alright actually..........should be pretty quick too! what am I talking about, is'nt that the whole point of a McLaren???. I just hope that they make with the same no compromise approach that made the old F1 the greatest car ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................."in the world". (:
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Well, i was expecting a proper successor to the old F1, like a new improved F1 which could make the old F1 bite dust! But rather dissappointingly this one isn't a proper successor of the old F1. Its not as nice, aggressive and hardcore looking as the old one either. Though its not as insanely expensive either. So looks like Mclaren has taken the consumer direction of producing a car people can almost afford rather than a masterpiece that one can only dream about.
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Presumably it'll be availiable in right hand drive too....yes?
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It reminds me of the Ferrari 430 in looks somehow - like an F-430 without the Italian passion; instead of passion, it has a grittier, no-fuss feel to it. Very British - no shouty, arm-waving Italian-ness, just simply gets the job done, bloody quickly no doubt.
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wow! what to say? wow! i want one! wow! it looks a bit like an ascari a-10 or kz1...! wow! and its environemtally friendly! wow! and its got 600 bhp! wow! but wasnt it meant to be called the p11? wow! its got 600 bhp! wow!
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i don't know do you remeber or not but i do,McLaren said F1 would get a 5.5 liter engine by they selves but Bmw took this project and the result was 6.1 liter and a massive horse power. now they say 3.8 liter but i think it will be some think like Bmw 4,4!
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i don't know do you remember or not but i do,McLaren said F1 would get a 5.5 liter engine by they selves but Bmw took this project and the result was 6.1 liter and a massive horse power. now they say 3.8 liter but i think it will be some think like Bmw 4,4!
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This car main ravial will be the new Ferrari F458 Italia but the Ferrari looks alot better than Mclaren and nicer to drive but we'll have to wait till these two cars get put on the test track.
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It does look rather nice, dunno whether i'd have one over a 458, but it still looks good and I bet it'll go like stink :P
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Well, Ferrari made this easy for McLaren, didn't they? McLaren just copied the front, headlamps, and air scoops behind the side windows. It's eerily similar!
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Looks like the bland looking Tesla roadster from the front.
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Looks like they've put a lot of effort into this car for the price range, sure looks like a car that makes McLaren a winner. Those sensor door openers look pretty nifty as well. Hopefully McLaren will soon turn their attention to creating a real F1 successor to blow us all away again.
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I think the 458 Italia may have found it's main competitor... I think I'd prefer to buy this though. Suprisingly, I think it's better looking...
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I am really happy with this car. Just the fact that it got made, in the current meltdown, is a victory. On the other hand it doesn't seem to be the technical showcase the first was. This one , maybe due to the afore mentioned auto industry climate, looks like a much more sensible "super car". Nothing revolutionary, nothing awe inspiring, just a beautiful car that, I hope, will crush Ferrari and make all Porsches look like the vulgar pieces of sh#t that they are. Well done McLaren, a car with the production numbers that woll make it a viable option for all car fans...
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P.S. - See you on the streets and, hopefully in the FIA GT1 Championship.
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Don't like it, is not ugly.. but common, we have been waiting for the new McLaren for a decade. I think they had some time to came up with something more impressive
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ooo ooo uhh ooo i'm i'm uhhh s-s-sp-spech l- l-less
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On the last picture, with the old one alongside with the same color, I must say I prefer the old one.
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time for Ferrari to make a 458 Challenge Stradale... :D
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I'm a bit disappointed, I expected they would come up of a more powerful machine to match the Veyron and it even look likes a F430 and Elise.
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It should be fantastic, but it has got strong competition from britons other supercar company Noble and their M600.
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It's going to be a good car, but never a successor to 12 cylinder, mid driving position, £1/2m car. Just too practical and not exciting. No one will remember it 17 years latter. Being on top of the ladder and going down cannot be a success. It can only earns you money. Their next car will be front engined probably.
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I think the car looks superb! And there's no point worrying about costs since most people (including me) won't be able to afford it over a 458 Italia or anything close.
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@VanMadMan: Would I buy a McLaren over a Ferrari? Are you serious? Of course. I mean McLaren isn't exactly unknown or common or cheap, is it? (though even if it were... who gives a damn?) This car looks brilliant, reminds me of Lotus and Tesla, more so than the other brands. Which isn't a bad thing. Should perform nice too.
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even tough they didn´t do anithing extra to make the car prittier its still gourgeos looks like a gallardo but with curves in one of the pic fusioned with an audi R8 lol
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and this sholuld be the ferrari killer 3.8 l 2 turbos maybe a fiat punto with 4 turbo can go faster put 2 turbo in a 458 and bye bye mclaren i still prefer de f1
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This is not a replacement for the original. If that were the case, it would have a twelve cylinder of some sort, a seat in the middle, and a top speed of 255-ish mph. This is a technically sound, albeit boring, 458 fighter. Those side inlets are lifted straight of a Saleen S7, and the rest is so non-descrpt that it will be forgotten in ten years if not sooner. Are we sure this is a British product? It doesn't come from Germany, right? Could've fooled me.
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It looks...... epic
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Nice car NOt Revolutionary so look out Ronaldos gonna have 1
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@Jobseeker - F#CK, don't tell me that cock is going to ruin another car for me... They should prohibit him from buying any cool, or even lukewarm, car. Seeing that idiot inside anything on four weals immediately makes me puke...
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Seriously people, I think this could be the most important car to come out of Briton in the last two decades. I'm sensing a trend here. Could McLaren be attempting to turn itself into a regular GT car producer, like Ferrari, Lambo and the likes? After all this was how Ferrari got started... This could be the beginning of a regular car producer as opposed to a bunch of engineers that turn out showpieces every ten years...
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This car looks ... well STUNNING!!!!!!!!! :)
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Excellent packed with F1 inspired technology, all in one carbon shasy safety cell, touch sensitive door entry, flush indicators and boldly claiming lowest carbon out put even than the hybrids?! So it isn't the end of the super car then?
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Excellent packed with F1 inspired technology, all in one carbon shasy safety cell, touch sensitive door entry, flush indicators and boldly claiming lowest carbon out put even than the hybrids?! So it isn't the end of the super car then?
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I believe TopGear made a big typo ( and should change it ) by saying this is the successor to the iconic F1 which clearly it's not... that car is still to be thought-out, designed and built.. while this is an entry level McLaren supercar which isn't really bad if a bit subtle in looks but truly magnificent in-tech engineering and McLaren's speciality in the black arts of weight saving.
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This Porsche GT, er... latest Lotus Evora second edition, or, a McLaren kind of thingish thing ! bu... No more than a joke, that is.
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the looks reminds me of one of the previous F1 seasons. c",)
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the looks reminds me of one of the previous F1 seasons. c",)
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This car is so cool! I wish i had money to buy one =)
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My god this is guna be quick. 1.4tuns is the same as the focus RS, and this has twice as much power! Possable Koenigsegg CCX reivel? But if had the money i would Go see this Mclaren and then walk over to the mercedes-benz dealer and buy the SLS unless this goes like HELL.. ;)
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no. the looks are disappointing. the F1 was revolutionary in many respects, this is a run of the mill supercar, if there is such a thing. my order of preference: sls, 458, 12c
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maybe it's the colour, but this just doesn't do anything for me. i looked at a pic of the f1 and it's a better looking car despite it's age. i'm sure this will be incredibly fast, and a total joy to drive, but the design looks like a mish mash of lots of other cars - the side profile reminds me of a toyota celica, the front is straight off a lotus, the back is sort of honda nsx ... nah, sorry, leaves me cold.
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Er, did they forget to put any lights on the back?
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Rawr. Nice butt.
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It's gonna be one of the most lovely cars around, i can't wait!
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Maybe the whole Furore the other year about Mclaren having Ferrari info was not about the F1 cars but this. To be honest i've rather have the 458. And Robertr, McFerghini, love it!
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Can Top Gear please make their own page on Facebook? I think it would be a lot more accessible and popular than twitter.
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I fear this won t be as good as the F1 xD
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I looks mint, can't wait until it's on the track it be as good as a ferrari
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its a gorgeus looking car apart from the colour sorry
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i think it looks absolutely fantastic, dare I say, even better than the 458? I don't know
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omg its amazing!!! even in that colour! its amazing! i love it
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the design looks like an a Ferrari 458 Italy but the interior is amazingly god
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Sorry i mean good.That`s because i am from Bulgaria
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Only Mc L can make sure a car is understated in its looks. Stunning. And I love the Kiwi badge on it.
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Only Mc L can make sure a car is understated in its looks. Stunning. And I love the Kiwi badge on it.
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I like this design better than the Ferrari 458 Italia...and the Merc Gullwing just looks a bit odd. The funny nose, the terrible back-end, the Moss headlights. It's only worth it for the gullwing doors, and I'd rather spend the money on the Maclaren.
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I absolutely ADORE this car!
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You have to love them. When this one goes on show don't make the same mistake as me.........I was trying to tell a friend of mine about the old F1 in the McLaren showroom off Hyde Park in London....... I thought the lady behind the desk was a mere receptionist....... she turned out to be an expert....... how embarrassing.......... they not only do cars well......... they also teach their staff VERY well..........
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09 September 2009
of course it'll be great! its a mclaren people! n they just dont disapoint! p.s, iv got the 1st post in!
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