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Digital wizards have created a long-tail for the next generation. But we want it now

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

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  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

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  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

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  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

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  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

  • Wake up your saliva glands because we have a car for them to go nuts over. It’s the Porsche 908/04, a render by professors of Photoshop that mashes together all of Porsche’s techy future plans with the silhouette of its heritage.

    And boy does it look good. It’s just a render, though, and therefore not real. Doesn’t mean we can't drool over it.

    See, during the late 1960s and early 70s, racecar designers really started to experiment with the dark art of downforce. All kinds of weird and wacky aero appendages were riveted, fused and bonded to car bodies to make them slipperier and better stuck to the track. 

    Some of our favourites were the long-tails; cars that had been put through a mangle and extended to pierce the air with more prowess and achieve monstrous top speeds. 

    Porsche kind of owned the scene with the 917LT, 935/78 "Moby Dick" and the 908 LH. Their elongated bodies allowed them to be stupidly fast, but they were also pretty hairy to drive. And with the advance of technology and a better understanding of how the wind works, long-tails quickly died out. 

    But now they’re back, thanks to a team of six digital wizards who want lengthened racers to come back in fashion. And who can blame them? With the Spice Girls and Pokemon coming full circle, surely the long-tail can too, right? 

    What you see above is an unofficial nod to the Vision Gran Turismo concept cars, ones which harks back to days of analogue wheel-to-wheel racing. The guys behind it wanted to 3D render a modern interpretation of the 1969 908 LH, just with bits of Porsche 918 and Mission E thrown in for good measure. 

    Powertrains haven’t been discussed yet, but whatever it would be connected to (apart from pixels) isn’t going to be a spangly sequential gearbox with paddles. Oh no, the guys behind it want an old school wooden stick and three pedals to swap cogs – just like the 917. We like where they're going with this. 

    So if you’re listening, Porsche, we’ll have one of these with 918 mechanicals. You know where to send it.

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